RR:  Now that’s the key.  That’s the key.

ORU:  And I asked Him what I must do.  He said, “Take your Bible and study My reward system.”  Now, partner, I had never heard that term, God’s reward system.  I knew God is a good God.  I’m one of the men who originated that phrase, God is a good God, back in the late forties.  And I went to my Bible and as He directed me, I went to Mark’s gospel, chapter 4, about the four ways how people plant their seed.  And Jesus told, some plant by the wayside, some plant in stony ground, some plant among weeds, and of course the seed does not grow and produce.  But the fourth way, He said, “Some plant in good soil and they receive a thirtyfold return, a sixtyfold return, and a hundredfold return and they can determine the percentage of their return thirty, sixty or a hundredfold by the quality of the soil that they plant in.”  And He said, “Don’t ask your partners for new money. Don’t ask them for new money.  Ask them to redirect some of their giving where they don’t know that money is causing souls to be saved or the sick to be healed, to redirect some of that money into the scholarshipping of the medical students of Oral Roberts University School of Medicine and they will not have to have those debts, so they can go to these nations and open them up for the gospel.  (Applause) And if they do, I will give them a hundredfold return, either in money or in what money cannot buy.” Then he directed me to a Scripture that I knew about in the Bible but I had not paid a lot of attention to. Here in Proverbs 6, verses 30, 31, “Men do not despise a thief if he steals to satisfy his soul when he’s hungry.  But if he be found, he shall restore sevenfold.  He shall give all the substance of his house.”  Here God says through Solomon that when the devil, and that’s what He’s referring to, the thief is the devil, when he steals from us–and who hasn’t been ripped off by the devil?–God will give us a sevenfold restoration.  And that, as I said, I knew about that, but I had not really studied it.  Then He led me to Joel, chapter 2 and verse 25.  He says, “I will return to you what the locust has stolen,” or taken away, “what the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, the caterpillar and the palmer worm.  I will restore those years which the locust hath eaten.”  Now we know who the thief is.  John 10:10, Jesus said, “The thief (or the thief) cometh not but for to steal, to kill, and to destroy.” We know who it is that restores.  God said, “I will restore the years that the locust hath eaten and the cankerworm and palmerworm,” all forms of locusts.  He said, “I will restore them.” And in the sixth chapter of Proverbs, He said, “I will restore seven times what has been stolen from you.”  So I said, “What do you mean?” He said, “The hundredfold return for the seed that you plant to put My medical presence in the earth,” and I caught that term “medical presence.”  I said, “God, I know that Jesus said He came to preach, to teach, and to heal.”  Preach, teach, and heal.  “Now You’re saying that You must have your medical presence in the earth.”  He says, “Yes, because many of the nations will not take ministers and evangelists unless doctors open up the way.  And I also heal through doctors.  I heal through medicine, and I heal through prayer.  Now,” He said, “you tell the people to redirect some of their giving.  Don’t ask them for new money, to redirect some of their giving where they don’t know for sure that it’s winning souls to Christ or it’s healing the sick.  And I will restore to them one hundredfold and I will return to them (Applause) seven times what the devil has stolen.”  And now here it is in July.  And, partner, you have a letter in my hand in which I’ve asked for a two months pledge, a pledge this month and a pledge next month, for we open school around August 20th and we have 48 in the medical freshman class, have 192 medical students in all. And God told me to scholarship everyone of them and have them sign a contract that for every year of their scholarship they give a year as a missionary doctor, even in this country where there are areas not covered by medical science and the gospel and in Canada certain areas, but mostly in the nations in the Third World.  And do you know, Richard, as of today of the 192 scholarships we have to raise, it’s $8 million a year, God has given us the money for 15 in cash and 34 are pledged.  We only lack, let’s see, 49 from 192. Anybody help me out there?

RR:  Hallelujah.  Come to Tulsa this summer.  Tour the Healing University.  Make your clinic appointment at the City of Faith. Come and see us in Tulsa this summer.  And speaking of miracles, I’m happy to present to you God’s man and God’s woman for this hour today, Oral and Evelyn Roberts, my dad and my mother. (Applause)  Praise the Lord.  Dad, I want to talk to you, Dad, because I know that God has been dealing with you over these past days and weeks very heavily concerning the future of this ministry, concerning what His next move for you is to make.  And I felt like that today was the day that you should share it with the people.

OR:  Well, this is a rather shocking announcement and experience. And, Richard, people will have to hear with their spirit because many are not accustomed to God speaking to a human being like He does me and some other people.

RR:  Well, if that’s so then, before you start, could we just stop and pray that people will hear in their spirits?  (Yes) Everybody just join hands.  That’s a good word.  (Yes)  Father, in the name of Jesus, You’ve given my dad a special message for everyone watching this program today.  And I pray that they would hear with more than their ears.  I pray that they would hear down in their hearts and receive this word which is from You, in the mighty name of Jesus I pray it and I believe it and I expect a miracle to happen because of it.  Amen and amen. 

ORU:  Well, just before I tell you how God came to me in my room and spoke to me about a major turning point in the nations of the world that involves your life and mine, let me remind you that know and tell you that do not know that God raised me up from tuberculosis as a 17-year-old boy, saved my soul and told me to take His healing power to my generation.  Then later He told me to raise Him up a university and in that university raise up my students to hear His voice and to go where His light is dim in this world, where His voice is heard very small, His power is not known and even to the uttermost bounds of the earth.  And that their work would go far beyond mine, and in that He was well pleased.  And He gave me a call to take His healing power through myself, through my associates, through my students, through my parents, and we have been doing that, in crusades across America, around the world, in the Oral Roberts University with thousands of students, going in summer missions and some going in the nations, but all over America and Canada.  And then building the City of Faith, the Medical and Research Center to merge His healing streams of medicine and prayer.  And millions of people have been touched for God.  And I really thought I had pretty well done what God had told me to do, and did I get a shock in my spirit.  When I became 68 this year, the following morning God spoke to me again and He said, “You’re on the last rung of the ladder and your next move you’ll be standing before me telling Me why you’ve not sent the healing teams from ORU to the nations of the earth.”  And I said, “God, I’ve tried everything I know.  I raised up my students to hear Your voice, I’ve told them how to go to the ends of the earth, I’ve built the medical school that You told me to build.  We’re turning out young doctors and ministers and all kinds of workers.  I’ve done everything I know.”  And He said, “You will not be rewarded just for trying. You will be rewarded for doing.  You are saved by grace.  It’s a gift of God.  But you will be rewarded for your works.”  Now that was not entirely new to me, but in the context in which God spoke, it really struck deep in my heart. And there was a flash, just like you have a flash across your eyes and you are able to see something.  And God pulled back the curtain and let me see the cross.  He said, “Do you think that I told My Son to go to the cross to die for the sins of the world?  And I said to Him, ‘Now, Son, you get up on the cross and you try and you do Your best. And if You can’t do anymore than try and you come down from the cross and you’ve not done it, why everything will be fine.’” I said, “No, that’s not what You said to Him.  You told Him to die for the sins of the world, and He did it.”  God said, “That’s right, He did it.”  “I didn’t call you and your partners just to try.  I called you to do, and you will be rewarded for your works.”  And I said, “God, all my life I’ve been taught that if we get to heaven, that’s all we can ever ask for.  In fact, I’ve heard people all my life say, ‘If I could just get my foot in the door of heaven, that will satisfy me.’”  And God said, “That is not true because there’s more on the other side of life than coming to heaven.  (Applause)  There’s a mighty work that you’re to do once you get to heaven.”  And I’d not really thought of that. And I said, “What do You want me to do?”  He said, “I want you to turn the medical school around and I want you to put your spirit into your medical students.  And I want you to send them as medical missionaries.”  Now that was not new.  That was the reason that we established the Oral Roberts University School of Medicine in 1976 and opened it in ’78.  And all of our students have known that and many of them have been excited about going to the ends of the earth.  But we’ve had great difficulties because the students are not from rich families and they are common young people who are very skilled.  As a matter of fact, only one in ten thousand can get into medical school so you know that they have to have a great mind and ability to learn the things about the human life, the body, the earth, and medicines and skill and compassion.  But they have to borrow money.  Medical education is the most expensive education in the world and it may be the most difficult to obtain.  It takes a rare dedication.  And when we graduate them they come out of medical school for the most part owing thousands upon thousands of dollars because it’s expensive, even beyond what we ourselves raise and put in the medical school. And they have to go out and practice in order to get that money and pay their debts back.  And by that time most doctors then somehow don’t feel deeply again the missionary call that God puts upon so many of them.  As a matter of fact, there’s a startling figure that you should know about that I have learned, there are 530,000 doctors in the United States, 530,000 doctors in the United States.  In the whole doctors.  I have ministered in 46 nations and I’ve only met one medical missionary.  And he took me to his clinic and hospital and because he was a Christian and believed God heals through prayer also, he had me to lay hands upon every patient in the clinic and in the hospital and I was able to be of assistance to him and he of course to the gospel.  And we did a great work for God together.  And in the Bible Luke, the doctor, and Paul became a healing team.  They were the things I have known.  But the problem has been a debt one, where the young people coming out of the Oral Roberts University School of Medicine have to face their debts, sometimes $75,000, $100,000.  And so they have many offers to practice medicine across the land or in Canada and they have to choose the offer and go and then pay those, wasn’t aware how deeply God felt.  Oh, I knew He called me to open the medical school and I knew that we had brought in these young people who felt the call, but somehow we just were not pulling it off.  God said, “If you don’t turn the medical school around, I’m going to call you to heaven.  Your work will be done.  You will be able to do no more.”  And I said, “Lord, I want at least 20 more years to preach and to heal and to reach humanity for the gospel, and I’m counting on that.”  And He said, “Then turn the medical school around and scholarship every medical student, everyone of them, so that they will give a year to the mission field in a missionary nation for each year that you scholarship them. (Applause)  And they will not come out with all these debts. They will be ready to go when they finish their residencies to the nations.”  You see, the nations have been closing up to the gospel.  The rise of nationalism, the rise of communism in certain countries, have been shutting off these nations from the gospel.  But they are desperate for doctors.  And God knew that when He had us to open up the Oral Roberts School of Medicine. As a matter of fact, later this month Dr. Winslow, who I call my Luke, we are going to East Africa to meet with the president of one of the great nations there who has asked us to give him doctors for his nation where there’s only a few score in a whole nation of 30 or 40 million people.  In fact, there are areas of one million people in that nation that doesn’t have one doctor. Do you know in Tulsa, Oklahoma where there’s a half million people in greater Tulsa, there are 900 doctors. And in some of those areas of a million people there’s not one doctor whether Christian or non-Christian?  They are desperate for doctors. And if we will give them a doctor, they will take the rest of our healing team, evangelists and nurses and other kinds of workers.

Think about Oral Roberts University. Think about those 4,600 young people. Think about them this summer as they’re out ministering across America and in foreign nations around the world. Think of those healing teams being raised up to send medical doctors and nurses and dentists and evangelists and others to the nations of the world to treat people medically, and treat people spiritually, physically, to help them to understand that God wants them to get their needs met.

I’ll tell you, in the face of all the adversity, we’re talking faith talk, not
doubt talk. John Wesley Fletcher, the Lord won’t let me wait any longer. Get over here. Come on, give him a good welcome. John.

Meadowlark, give him a microphone. John, I told you many times that we make our plans for this program, but we want the Spirit of God to come forth. And what’s happening today is not anything that we planned. It’s what the Spirit has planned and it’s not, it’s not unusual that the Lord would send you our way on this day.

It seems that I show up when things like this happens enjoy it. I rather enjoy coming. I heard recently your father make a plea on one of the Sunday telecasts and out of that as I was upstairs in the dressing room, God spontaneous gave me something. You see, it’s scribbled. And it’s not prophecy but it is the basic ingredient of all of this that God has done through your father, you and all of those that God has given you to work with.

This place is what  is writing about. I just wrote it out. And I will say to all of you, the university and the City of Faith is a place where faith flows into peace and courage and hope spills at the feet of hope and gives life to this wonderful world. Where a traveling river forges its way into the setting sun to give a drink to the edge of many long nights. A place where love is married to God and research has a love affair with education. A place where towers of study press the heaven’s skies and kisses a doubting cloud and fills it with faith and knowledge to teach faith that will defy death where little children may live and not die.

You’re not, honey. They’re mistaken. If I were the devil, now hear me, come in here real close to me, if I were the devil, let me tell you who and where I’d attack. I would attack a university where students are being raised up to hear God’s voice and to take His healing power to the nations of the earth. If I were the devil I’d attack that place that’s raising up students to hear God’s voice, to go where His light is dim, where His voice is heard small, where His power is not known.

If I were the devil I’d attack a place like Oral Roberts University. No, I wouldn’t attack the secular universities of America because the secular humanistic universities don’t really believe in the healing power of Jesus Christ. And they’re not raising up students to hear God’s voice and to go to the nations of the earth with His healing power through medicine and dentistry and nursing and business and law and theology and education and many other majors.

No, that’s not what their reason for being is. I don’t know what their reason for being is. I’m not concerned over that because I wasn’t called alongside my father to build Oral Roberts, or to build a secular humanistic university. I’m called here as part of the Oral Roberts Ministry. But if I were the devil, I’d be attacking Oral Roberts University.

But as a Christian, as a believer in the healing power of God, as a believer that God is a God who can turn things around, I’ve got to get out of that negative doubt talk and get out of all that heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy concern over the devil’s attack and start talking faith talk and encouraging you that not only are we going to refuse for Oral Roberts University to close, but we’re going to refuse for your doors to close.But the devil’s not going to stop you.

See, we’re facing, we’re facing an emergency right now here in the month of June with Oral Roberts University. It’s the worst emergency that I have ever known in the history of this ministry. The doors of Oral Roberts University may not open in the fall. And someone say, “Well, I’ve never heard anything like that before. Imagine Oral Roberts University not opening.” But we’re refusing to believe that.

Tell what your dad’s saying. For lack of money. We’re talking faith talk, that by faith enough people are going to stand with us. We’re going to work and prove God. We’re going to prove God. We’re going to prove that God is God. People are going to get hold of Him and we’re talking faith talk, not doubt talk. Now I’m going to talk to John Wesley Fletcher in a few minutes about this.

Well, you know, we’re not foolish enough to close our eyes and say, “Oh, don’t tell me about it.” We’re smart enough to say, “All right, give me the facts, give me the figures, what do we need, what do we have?” You’ve got to be realistic. You live in the world. You can’t just go some pie-in-the-sky and close your eyes and say, “God will fix it.”

You can be in the world but you don’t have to be of it. That’s right. We look realistically and get everything in line and then say, “All right, that’s the realistic part of it. Now here’s the faith.” And your father stood up the other day saw him stand up and point his finger and he said, “I will not go under.” And he said, “I cannot go under for going over. I’m going to make it.” And believe me, I believed him. In the midst of the worst circumstances I’ve ever seen Oral face, he stood up and he said, “I will make it.” That’s his faith.

We’re standing up this summer saying, “In spite of the devil’s attack” now let me tell you, friend, if I was the devil, which I’m not incidentally. Some people have said I am.

People were trying to feed doubt into me but he would not hear it. Would not hear it and he would not surround myself by the people that talked doubt.So you decided to talk faith talk and not doubt talk. The Bible says you walk by faith, not by sight. By the sight of it you couldn’t walk (It’s right) in the natural. In the natural there was no way for Cheryl Pruitt. But it says we don’t walk by sight.

There was no way that you could walk, and there’s certainly no way you could become Miss America 1980. Never, ever, because not only was my leg in a mess, but after God healed my leg I had over 100 stitches in my face and I’ve never had any plastic surgery. God just proved to me through a period of time that if we trust Him, if I’d be faithful and if I’d trust Him, He would take care of all the
circumstances.

Now that’s faith talk. That’s faith talk. Now you may be in the midst of a situation in your life where you’re talking doubt talk. I mean This is what we’ve been taught most of our lives. Doubt talk, doubt talk. I can’t make it talk. Well, turn on the news. I’m going under talk.

Every day we read the newspaper and we turn on the news, they tell us what’s wrong. Some day I would like to turn on the news and have them give one day of glorious praise reports. I would. I would like to see the day that you don’t But you know, we’re programmed to say, this is wrong in the economy, this is wrong in our finances, this is wrong with banking, this is wrong in the, you know, the fighting among the world system, there’s wars, there’s this.

Well, all right, but for heaven’s sake, if we dwell on that and continue to feed our spirits that, the next day you’re going to wake up in the morning and say, “This is wrong, this is what’s going to happen in my
day.”

Through prayer, through the good work of the doctors. People say to me all the time, what’s the difference in the City of Faith? The difference is, you have doctors, nurses and prayer partners all working together as a team. Now that’s the difference. You don’t just go every place and find that, Lindsay. You don’t find that everywhere. What’s different about the City of Faith, what’s that, your beads?

I’m clicking, I’m … I wondered what that was. Leave it to me to disrupt things. I’m sorry. Now go ahead. The City of Faith, Lindsay, what was I saying before your beads interrupted me? About the City of Faith being a place for healing and it is. I’ve just experienced that.

Tell me about it. Well, I came in and I had a glorious natural childbirth from, the delivery was natural and I had people praying for me, people that were really calming me and helping me. I had a doctor that was just tremendous. And the care that I got here was just as miraculous as anything I’ve ever seen.

You know, Lindsay, you couldn’t go ten feet in that childbirth center without somebody wanting to pray for you. Everybody was praying for me, and they were praying for other women that were in there. There was a lady that had a baby right after I was in there and they were praying for her. I could hear them praying for her. And bless their hearts, they had a young lady that had no prenatal care that had just literally walked in and knew nothing about having a baby.

They immediately started teaching her medically what she was going to have to do and prayed for her at the same time. Now bless this young girl’s heart, she knew nothing. So they not only equipped her what was going to happen to her body physically, but they were praying for her the whole time, praying against the fear, praying that she would be able to have a good delivery. You can’t beat that, especially when you’re in an atmosphere where childbirth is not an easy thing and it could be a very scary experience.

Oh, is that so? Is that right? Ladies, is that … You wouldn’t know. I understand that having a child was just as natural as rolling off a log. Well, it was natural. It was very natural and normal.

I’ll sing, you’ll sit. It’s a deal. You did your job the other day having little Jordan Lindsay. That’s right. You did your part too. How much more weight are you going to lose? SPLR LINDSAY ROBERTS A lot. I have a way to go. I got a little bit hefty there when I was pregnant.

SPRR But you’ve lost 31 pounds, you told me just
a few moments ago, 31. She is slimming up. SPLR LINDSAY ROBERTS I had a lot to lose. I got a little carried away. SPRR  And little Jordan Lindsay, little Jordan, yeah, yeah, one night an entire pie, the whole thing. SPLR LINDSAY ROBERTS Your mother made you your favorite cake, it was yellow cake with chocolate fudge icing and I proceded to eat a cake one night. I was a little frustrated.

 Yeah, you had a pie. She said, one night I
said to her, “Lindsay, do you want me to cut this pie into six pieces or eight?” She said, “Better only cut it into six, I don’t think I could eat eight.” SPLR LINDSAY ROBERTS Oh, I had a little sweet tooth there. Every tooth in your mouth is a sweet tooth and you know it. SPLR LINDSAY ROBERTS It’s true, it’s true, don’t tell that.

 Can I kiss you on national TV. SPLR LINDSAY ROBERTS Kisses are calorie free, can have that. Did you know all food eaten after midnight is calorie free. You didn’t know that. Well, don’t believe that. Don’t believe that.

SPLR LINDSAY ROBERTS That’s not what I was told. Lindsay, if you’ll go over and sit down, I’ll be over there to join you in just a minute. SPLR LINDSAY ROBERTS It’s a deal.  The Oral Roberts University Singers and I are going to sing “Get All Excited, Go Tell Everybody That Jesus Christ Is King.”

SPKM ORU SINGERS SONG Get_All_Excited Yeah. Stay tuned, I’ll be right back. ROLL IN OF DR. SAM SASSER  Well, welcome back. The City of Faith is a place where healing is happening, Lindsay. SPLR LINDSAY ROBERTS That’s right, it is.

SPLR LINDSAY ROBERTS Praise God. I was reading a testimony just
a second ago, I was looking through these, and there’s a lady here that was healed that had, she had gone to the doctor and the doctor said there were shadows on parts of her body that he thought were cancerous tumors. He didn’t know all the story, wanted to do surgery. So he did surgery and when he opened the woman up to do the surgery, he said there was nothing there where the shadows were.

The shadows that he saw, the tumors that he thought were there were completely healed. And God turned it around in her life. AD02 God is turning things around. And let me tell you, God’s turning things around here at the City of Faith. If you have a need to come to the City of Faith, then, can you put that telephone number on the screen? Is it there now? I can’t see a television set so I, is it there? All right. Area code 918-493-8000, area code 918-493-800. Or 493-8181.

If you need to come to the City of Faith, call and make an appointment. Don’t just show up. Call first. That way we can serve you better. The others can serve you. We can set aside the proper time for you to be with the doctor, the nurses, the prayer partners. I’ll tell you, the City of Faith is changing the way people think about medicine. It’s changing the way people think about prayer, especially changing the way people think about joining them both together. And we’ve been out here in front of the City of Faith this week. It’s beautiful Oklahoma weather.

The clouds have been rolling in, but I don’t think there are any clouds we need to worry about. I tell you what’s rolling in even bigger than the clouds, and that is the power of the Holy Spirit through this program. And I’m expecting something good to happen to you through this program. Right now the Oral Roberts University Singers who are standing behind me and I want to sing a song. Lindsay, are you going to sing or do you want to …

SPKM BILL NORDSTROM From the campus of Oral Roberts University
and the City of Faith Health Care Center in Tulsa, Oklahoma, today with special guests Ken and Lynette Hagin. Now the Oral Roberts Ministry presents

SU01 That’s right, no matter what it looks
like, God can turn it around in your life. Well, we’re back here out in front of the magnificent City of Faith Health Care Center. Here is the hospital tower, the clinic tower, the research tower. And behind Lindsay and me is the beautiful bronze sculpture of the healing hands, one hand representing the hand of prayer, the other hand representing the hand of medicine, joined together.

And, Lindsay, we’ve been out here in front of the City of Faith this week making our live television program, letting people know that no matter what it looks like, God can turn it around. SPLR LINDSAY ROBERTS That’s right. This is a turn it around center. It’s a miracle center where God takes what the devil put on people and He’s been turning it around in their lives and people are getting healed here.

SPOR ORAL ROBERTS A woman wrote me a letter the other day and told me how she had rededicated her life to Jesus by watching this program. She was down near Atlanta, Georgia and wrote and said, “God turned it around in my life when I turned my life

Now, that can happen in your life today. And I want you to know that the Abundant Life Prayer Group is standing by to receive your prayer request, to receive your call. When you call they’ll hold your name before the Lord in prayer. Then they’ll bring your prayer request to me. And Lindsay and I will lay our hands on your needs and we’ll pray. And then I’ll sit down and write you a letter and bring you something good from the Bible.

Let me say this to you, friend, if you have never called the Abundant Life Prayer Group, if you’ve seen our program and you’ve seen that number that you’re looking at right now on the screen and you say, well, I wonder what would happen if I called the Abundant Life Prayer Group? Let me tell you what will happen, prayer will happen. They will pray for you. They will expect a miracle in your behalf. So if you’ve never called the Abundant Life Prayer Group, call today and let us pray for you. What do you have to lose? You’ve got nothing to lose, and prayer is the key that unlocks the throne of God’s mercy. And I expect something to happen when the Abundant Life Prayer Group prayer partners pray for you.

Testimony after testimony, Lindsay, has come in of people who have accepted Jesus through the Prayer Group and have received healings in their bodies through the Prayer Group. A word was given to me the other day about a woman who had cancer. And they called the Abundant Life Prayer Group. She was facing cancer surgery. And she called and then they went back for an examination after prayer because she said, “I felt something happening in my body.” She went back and the doctors confirmed they could find no trace of cancer. The surgery was cancelled and she is now cancer free.